• @[email protected]
    link
    fedilink
    English
    1424 days ago

    Small incremental changes are easier to make than big ones. It is also better to have many people reducing meat than just a few full vegans.

      • @[email protected]
        link
        fedilink
        724 days ago

        In my experience they often do go vegan overnight though. The key tends to be actually connecting the food on your plate with where it came from and accepting that animals are capable of suffering. Once that connection is made, animal products simply aren’t seen as food anymore and going vegan overnight is the only logical conclusion.

        Some people may be further along the spectrum towards being vegan when this connection is actually made but regardless of if you are vegetarian, “only eat free range meat”, or an unapologetic meat eater, once the connection is made they are vegan.

        • @[email protected]
          link
          fedilink
          English
          224 days ago

          “only eat free range meat”

          these people are by definiton not vegan. Trying to be more ethical by their choices, which is commendable - but not vegan.

          • @[email protected]
            link
            fedilink
            123 days ago

            Yes, that is my point. Whether someone is vegetarian, “trying to be more ethical” but still eating meat, or just a meat eater that has never even considered ethics, there is nothing that says you have to go through all of those steps to becoming vegan. In my experience, regardless of how far along you are in those “steps” once you make the connection between the food on your plate and the animals that it comes from and you realize that they are suffering for you, you go vegan. That could be meat eater to vegan, “ethical” meat eater to vegan, or vegetarian to vegan. My point is that in my experience that process does happen overnight.

      • @[email protected]
        link
        fedilink
        English
        224 days ago

        I mean… reducing meat is how people would go vegan over longer period if time (as opposed to over night) though? Not sure where you were going with your original comment.

    • Doll_Tow_Jet-ski
      link
      fedilink
      624 days ago

      The word easier here is a choice. What is more comfortable is easier, but eating a plant based diet is very easy. It’s cheaper and widely available in most countries. What you mean by easier really refers to more comfortable, not really to there being less physical obstacles

      • @[email protected]
        link
        fedilink
        1024 days ago

        not really to there being less physical obstacles

        Depends on availability. Plenty of eateries don’t have vegan options and this is especially true for locations accommodating larger groups. Furthermore, a lot of vegans need supplements (as I’ve been told), which is also subject to availability.

        Lastly, it’s easier to convince a thousand people to eat less meat – especially since they usually already have the ingredients required for vegetarian food at home – than to skip meat alltogether.

        Two thousand meals a week that turned vegetarian is a lot more impact than 70 meals turned vegan.

        • MrScottyTay
          link
          fedilink
          English
          724 days ago

          It’s not that a lot of vegans need supplements, they’re just more aware of what the body should get, when in fact almost everyone likely needs supplements. They just don’t know it.

        • Doll_Tow_Jet-ski
          link
          fedilink
          324 days ago

          Plenty of eateries don’t have vegan options

          Maybe you are thinking of processed vegan food, like a vegan nugget or hamburger. That is completely unnecessary. beans, lentils, chickpeas, seaweed, grains, rice, vegetables, nuts… those are widely available and enough for a healthy diet.

          For the rest I agree, it’s easier to convince an omnivore to go vegetarian than vegan. But that has to do with their will, not with actual physical limitations.

      • @[email protected]
        link
        fedilink
        English
        124 days ago

        It is easy once you are in, know what are the good vegan meals and how to cook them etc. Most people will have animal product for each meal - they don’t know better. To them vegans just eat salads and nuts, which is obviously not enticing. If they don’t take the easy way, they will just continue the only way they know how and change nothing.

        • Doll_Tow_Jet-ski
          link
          fedilink
          123 days ago

          I agree with you. I guess the difference lies in that I would call that laziness. Not knowing how to eat balanced meals (or more precisely, not looking it up), it’s not a matter of it being hard or easy. It’s a matter of simply doing it. All the information is out there and at a level anyone who can read will understand

          • @[email protected]
            link
            fedilink
            English
            123 days ago

            I mean, you are not wrong. In a way easy way is always the lazy way - doesn’t mean it is wrong. It can be daunting. Some people will take the fast, but hard way. Some people will take the longer/ but easy. If you end up in same destination, it’s a win in the end.

            • Doll_Tow_Jet-ski
              link
              fedilink
              120 days ago

              Some people will take the fast, but hard way. Some people will take the longer/ but easy. If you end up in same destination, it’s a win in the end.

              I guess you meant to say fast but easy, or longer but hard, right?

              • @[email protected]
                link
                fedilink
                English
                120 days ago

                I meant fast as in complete veganism overnight (hard) over slow, gradual change to eventually get to complete veganism (easier).

                It’s not the usual way the phrase goes I guess, or I just worded it badly

                • Doll_Tow_Jet-ski
                  link
                  fedilink
                  220 days ago

                  Aaaah ok ye now I get it.

                  I guess ultimately the end process is what’s important, there I agree with you. However, with ethical issues, or matters of principle, you could argue time is of the essence.

                  For example, if the Western world had taken 30 more years in embracing the importance of LGTBIQ+ rights, we would be now at the same place as the likes of Russia or Saudi Arabia, which is a place we feel good about not being.

                  So in a way yes, the end result is what matters, but in the meantime it does kinda sucks to live in a society that normalizes something that will undoubtedly be considered morally wrong and unethical in the future

                  • @[email protected]
                    link
                    fedilink
                    English
                    120 days ago

                    Totally! My point was that it’s better slow than not at all. But obviously the faster the better.